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post permalinktoday was the whole-trilogy extended editions we-die-like-riders-of-rohan-in-a-26-degree-movie-theater marathon of lord of the rings, and i gotta say watching these movies two decades later,
- they’re still delightful
- it’s funny how they seem more and more an artifact of the period they were produced in (not in a bad way, mind)
- it is annoying how little peter jackson trusts his audience. like. all major landmarks have to be within line of sight of each other. voice overs have to unambiguously lampshade every plot beat that was foreshadowed earlier in the movie. gandalf all but literally says at the end of the two towers “see you next time in… return of the king!” moments in the books that are already hella cinematic like the paths of the dead have to punched up just a little extra, like with an indiana jones skull slide. and it’s just not necessary! trust your audience!
- you can really tell what dialogue is from the books, and what dialogue is original attempts at tolkien pastiche, because even if you don’t know the books encyclopedically, the walsh-boyens-jackson team is just. not at all up to doing the pastiche well. this isn’t counting the lines that are absolutely cringe, like “let’s hunt some orcs.” or all of gimli’s dialogue. god they do gimli so dirty turning a prince of the dwarves into the drunken comic relief.
- when did we decide all dwarves were scottish, and they all used the same vaguely modernist angular architecture? i think it was before lord of the rings. was it in the 90s? the 80s?
- was the Tomato Incident a spontaneous choice by john noble or a directorial decision? did they have to do multiple takes?
- it’s so fun watching these movies in theaters now because the bits that gets everyone to laugh or cheer are the ones that have seeped into pop culture in weird ways. “they’re taking the hobbits to isengard,” of course. “po-ta-toes.” but also just aragorn kicking the helmet got a big giggle from the audience, because everyone was Thinking The Thing.
- some extremely committed soul came in cosplay, with a thick elven-style cloak and everything, despite the fact it was unusually hot today and the Babylon’s ac was not coping well. i don’t know how they survived. i hope they survived?
5. My original take was it’s from The Lord of the Rings (1954), but I think that does predate it a little bit. Googling for this is hard because a lot of people have no idea what they’re talking about, but it did feel well-established in like D&D well before the films came out. At least one person online wants to blame it on “Three Hearts and Three Lions”, which seems plausible since I know that was a source for D&D trolls.
6. I was not aware that there was a Tomato Incident (I know the books much better than the films), but googling suggests you were talking about a scene with Denethor eating? In which case this article suggests it happened accidentally in a rehearsal—he was rehearsing his eating to be rhythmic for continuity purposes—and Peter Jackson saw it and got super excited and asked him to do it every time.
All of this! Gimli as comic relief makes me sad every time. There’s this tension in trying to make a film for the fans while also trying to appeal to ordinary people who have never read the books etc. and stuff like Gimli and the whole Aragorn/Arwen romance thing seems to have been put there because it’s expected these types of movies will have a bit of romance in them.
the aragorn/arwen romance is fine–it’s in the appendix only because arwen is barely in the main story, and adding her to the main story is an easy way to merge characters for a cinematic adaptation. what i don’t like is this whole random “oh no! if you don’t destroy the ring arwen will die!” bit in RotK, because the stakes are already if you don’t destroy the ring everyone dies! we don’t need to “make this personal” for aragorn! things are already maximally personal!
and i think that’s representative of the fact that that tension you speak of only exists if you don’t trust your audience. sure, some fraction of the film-watching public are morons. but less than you think! and a lot of tropes common to big blockbuster action-y movies like Lord of the Rings assume most of the film-watching public (or at least the audience for those films) are morons. the real tension is between trying to adapt a story which puts a measure of faith in its audience to be able to deal with Themes And Whatnot, to keep track of a couple of different plots unfolding at once (though the books largely do this in series, not in parallel like the films), and not assume they have the attention span of a goldfish.
and that’s really what holds the movie back in the end–it doesn’t quite trust its audience enough, it doesn’t trust the fact that the overall plot (which is pretty simple in the end tbh) will carry things forward even if people don’t remember literally every story beat from the previous installments, doesn’t trust that this world (which they have filmed in loving and extraordinary detail!) will feel sufficiently real that we’ll be invested in it without signposting the stakes in ways that feel ham-handed.
but still! delightful films. and given the huge possibility space of awful or forgettable lord of the rings adaptations we could have gotten, i feel very lucky these are the ones we did get.
Trust in the audience is a good way to put it, yeah; pretty sure most folks don’t need to be spoonfed cliches in order to enjoy a movie.
What upset me a bit about the romance thing is it’s very overdone. What was a background detail in the books is suddenly a major plot point, and in order to make it work as plot the characters have to react to it in ways that are kinda out of character for them. There’s the “Arwen will die” thing you mention and then there’s Elrond’s grumpy old man-like not wanting his daughter to marry a mortal. Which is ridiculous given his own ancestry.
But they are still great movies in spite of all this! It’s just part of a fan’s job to analyse everything to bits lol



































